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Post  polka23dot on Sun May 06, 2012 8:21 am

THIS IS EARLY VERSION OF OUR MANIFESTO, TO BE DEBATED AND IMPROVED

Please join our debating forum named Templars. We hope to become political organization, but now we are just thirteen anti-Islamic debaters who believe that the creation of new political organization is necessary because nobody else has proposed practicable solution to the explosive growth of Muslim population in the West and to other global problems. There are many anti-Islamic parties in Europe, but they are paralyzed by political correctness. We are going to join these parties, attend their meetings, ask taboo questions, and force some of their members to think logically. If you want to help us, please circulate this manifesto on the Internet.

Our Western culture is the only culture that has a passion for innovation, capacity for self-criticism, gender equality, tolerance, and freedom of speech. All other human cultures are inferior. Muslim Arabs have the most barbaric culture in the world. They do not have true democracy, respect for human rights, or responsible media. They cannot produce single manufactured product of sufficient quality to sell on the world markets. Their productivity and literacy are the lowest in the world.

Islam killed about 300 million innocent kafirs (non-Muslims). Most of the victims were killed at a time when total human population of the Earth was much smaller than it is today. You can comprehend the scale of this genocide when you imagine a war that was fifty times more deadly than the Second World War. No other organization or ideology produced such huge mountains of mutilated corpses.

Islam is a cancer. It will kill Western Civilization unless it is cut, poisoned, and radiated into remission. Islam cannot be reformed because Muslims must emulate the crimes of a blood-thirsty bandit called Muhammad. Muslims call Muhammad model of conduct (uswa hasana) and perfect man (al-insan al-kamil).

A small minority of Muslims living in the West are neither violent nor hateful because they are half-Muslims, half-Westerners. With the exception of well-known activists like Zuhdi Jasser we cannot identify those non-violent Muslims, so we have to treat them the same way as the mainstream Muslims.

The explosive growth of Muslim population in the West is a much greater threat to Western Civilization than Islamic terrorists. European Muslims live in no-go zones where non-Muslims are not tolerated. Their crime rate and welfare dependance are an order of magnitude higher than the crime rate and welfare dependance of white Europeans. If the present trends continue, in 50 years Muslim population of Europe will grow from 52 million to 370 million, while Muslim population of the USA will grow from 8 million to 147 million. The main reason for the explosive growth of the Muslim population is the fact that Muslims living in Western Europe have twice as many children as white Europeans. If we do not get rid of Muslims, they will become the majority of Western population, and white Europeans, like Christians living in the Middle East, will become persecuted minority in their own homelands. None of the existing anti-Islamic parties, organizations, and activists (freedom parties, defense leagues, stop Islamization organizations, Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, Pamela Geller and the rest) propose practicable solution to the explosive growth of Muslim population.

We need new political organization dedicated to the eradication of Islam and other global problems, preferably by non-violent means. We hereby propose to call this organization Templars and we define its main goals:
1. Western law classifies Islam as organized crime treats it like organized crime.
2. Islamic indoctrination of children is prohibited.
3. Muslims living in the West pay all expenses related to Islamic terrorism and police protection of everyone threatened by Islamic terrorism.
4. High-school textbook explains differences between cultures, civilizations, human races, and the heritability of IQ.
5. Citizenship of Muslims living in the West is revoked.
6. Muslims cannot be employed by our police, armed forces, or defense industry. Our governments can employ Muslims only as informants.
7. The immigration of Muslims and people who have IQ lower than 110 is prohibited.
8. Muslim women are deported to Kerkennah Islands six months after childbirth.
9. Foreign policy of Western governments protects human rights and Christian minorities.
10. Western governments cut spending to eliminate national debt in 20 years.
11. Templars support the freedom of speech, democracy, and Israel.
12. Templars are not racists, but some of them support eugenics and human population control.

Modern eugenics is not a racist weapon used to exterminate inferior races, but a technology that improves the genomes of all races. Parents should use eugenic technology to ensure that their children are smart, healthy, and handsome.

Global food production has peaked due to soil erosion, urbanization, and salination of irrigated farmland. The high yields of modern agriculture are dependent on petroleum and phosphorus fertilizer. Petroleum has peaked and phosphorus will peak in approximately 2030. The high yielding seed varieties are products of biotechnology. They are very productive because they respond strongly to petroleum-based chemical fertilizers. For example, corn yields would fall dramatically from 130 bushels per acre to 30 bushels per acre, in the absence of chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and petroleum powered irrigation (Youngquist, 1999). If we do not reduce human population in the next few decades, all remaining forests will have to be converted to farmland, and yet mass starvation cannot be prevented. Human population control is necessary to prevent global ecological disaster and mass starvation.
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QUOTATIONS:

“Muslims must kill non-believers wherever they are unless they convert to Islam.” - Ali Gom’a (grand mufti of Egypt, the highest Islamic authority in the world, Al Ahram, April 7, 2008) source: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8066

"There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others." - Niccolo Machiavelli

"Peace is not the absence of war; it is a virtue; a state of mind; a disposition for benevolence, confidence, and justice." - Baruch Spinoza

"The destruction which has overtaken a number of civilizations in the past has never been the work of any external agency, but has always been in the nature of an act of suicide." - Arnold Toynbee

"It is time we admitted that we are not at war with terrorism. We are at war with Islam." - Sam Harris (American liberal and atheist)

"The people who speak most sensibly about the threat that Islam poses to Europe are actually fascists. To say that this does not bode well for liberalism is an understatement: It does not bode well for the future of civilization" - Sam Harris

"If the battle for civilization comes down to the wimps versus the barbarians, the barbarians are going to win." - Thomas Sowell (black economist)

"The timid civilized world has found nothing with which to oppose the onslaught of a sudden revival of barefaced barbarity, other than concessions and smiles." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

"Every country has the government it deserves." - Joseph Marie de Maistre (French diplomat, writer, philosopher and politician, 1753-1821)

"There is no moderate Islam. There are Muslims who are passive, who don't always follow the rules of Islam, but there's really only one Islam, defined as submission to the will of God. There's nothing moderate about it… How naive is the self-deception of the West to continue to talk of moderate Islam?… The Western mind-set — that if we respect them, they’re going to respect us, that if we indulge and appease and condone and so on, the problem will go away — is delusional. We're trying to appease Islam, but we are headed for a terrible confrontation between fascist Islam and Right-wing fascists who will step in when liberals fail to do so… This is the beginning of a challenge with no possible compromise. There is no bargain that can be struck when the question at hand is one of basic human rights." - Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a liberal, atheist, and former Muslim. She lives in the USA and is the first refugee from Western Europe since the Holocaust.)



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MAIN FEATURES & GOALS OF OUR POLITICAL PARTY AND ITS NAME

Post  IslamVeryHates on Sun May 06, 2012 9:11 pm

MY VIEWS:

There are 2 main topics to discuss:

1) A name of our political party
2) Main goals / FEATURES of our political party


THE MAIN FEATURES OF OUR POLITICAL PARTY:

- Our party should be centre-right on the political spectrum
- NO RACISM !!! (Because muslims / Islam is NOT any race!!! A lot of muslims are white people, as well.) BLACK PEOPLE ARE VERY WELCOME INTO OUR POLITICAL PARTY !!! Most of the VICTIMS of Islam are black people!!!
- NO NAZISM !!!
- NO FASCISM !!!
- NO COMMUNISM !!!
- NO NATIONALISM !!!
- NO XENOPHOBIA !!!
- NO socialism (LET'S NOT PLAY WITH WORDS AND WITH THE FALSE THEORIES!!!: Because socialism = communism in the real life!!!! Let's stop playing with words! Remember the bad experience about the Center and East Europe 1945-1989 where even were countries with a name: "socialist republic" but in the real they were the communist "prison". Not democratic free country!!!)
- NO Anti-Globalization because that one is a communist POPULIST ideology no matter what anyone says. And because globalization is a positive thing!
- NO support for the movement of the name: Occupy Wall Street (and the other its forms) because that one is a communist POPULIST ideology no matter what anyone says. Contrary, we have to be against this one!
- TOTAL SEPARATION OF ANY RELIGION AND STATE (INCLUDING THE SEPARATION OF Christian religions!!!)



1) The name:
LET'S VOTE FOR THE BEST NAME!!! (Other new suggestions are welcome!!!):

There are suggestions:
- Templars
- Stop Islamization
- Taboo Busters
- Anti-taboo Party

I support name: "Stop Islamization". (It doesn't matter there are many organisations of this name. Generally they are NOT well-known, any way, for the majority!!!
I do NOT think the name: "Templars" is good. It sounds tooo obsolete, outdated, old-fashioned. The majority does not have any knowledge about Templars. The name should be very clear and contemporary. For example: "Stop Islamization!".)



2) Main goals of our political party:

AN OFFICIAL LEGAL BAN ON ISLAM and its supporters to defend FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS ( muslims will be automatically considered as criminals). In Europe Nazism is banned. With the same way has to be banned Islam because Islam is on the same criminal level like the Nazi ideology.

How to reach this goal?

Answer:

A) Our party "STOP ISLAMIZATION" should be succesful in the parliamentary elections. In parliaments we will enact AN OFFICIAL LEGAL BAN ON ISLAM.

B) BEFORE WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE PARLIAMENTARY ELECTION, WE WILL MAKE PERMANENT lawsuits: We should be filing lawsuits, (To sue Islam and their supporters = muslims) because Islam makes crimes against THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS = already AGAINST OUR CURRENT LAWS (!!!) because THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS is included in the constitutions in the most West countries!!!

As an avidence will be Koran.

Another evidence will be islamic countries where Koran is integrated into the everyday life = muslims act according to Koran. Also, in our countries, Koran is approved by muslims in our countries!

To be successful in this point we need 2 things:


I) to get MANY lawyers / advocates (for free = volunteers or/and donations for non-volunteers (ALSO we should establish a Charity that will be collecting these donations. The subject of the charity should be: "Defending Human Rights"). The lawyers / advocates should be experts on THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS and on Islam.

Also we should contact Mr. Geert Wilders to help us about this one, because he already won that trial. He surely has many experts who are lawyers / advocates.

II) Publicity: the connection on verious mass media (TV, newspapers, radios, Websites etc.) where we will be informing the public about the trials and the problem with the islamization and the criminal islamic ideology.

THE FINANCIAL-PROBLEM (EXPENSES) IS SOLVED SEE ABOVE: I)




There are some other topics:

* Sterilization females muslims / deportation of muslims:
(This topic is IRRELEVANT because all females as well as males muslims will be in prisons where they will not be able to have sex to make children!)
Muslims will be arrested and hold in prisons and then deported out from our countries to their countries of their origin. If any country would refuse to accept them, they will stay in the prisons. The prisons can also be abroad for axample: Guantanamo, The Arctic or wherever it will be possible.

EXPENSES for the prisons will be solved with this way:
All the expenses muslims will have to pay = with the confiscation of their properties / possessions.
ALSO, MUSLIMS IN PRISONS WILL HAVE TO WORK TO PAY FOR ALL THE EXPENSES !!! (Who will refuse to work, will have only water and bread, (each Sunday ONLY small portion of pork meat) and sleeping on the floor on a mattress in a room with NO furniture, and the rooms will be for 50 people, at least.)



* A ban on the construction of mosques and visibly Islamic structures:
(This topic is IRRELEVANT because ALL SYMBOLS OF ISLAM WILL BE ILLEGAL if we ban Islam.)

* I STRONGLY AM AGAINST eugenics = I STRONGLY AM AGAINST SORTING PEOPLE ACCORDING TO IQ !!! BECAUSE IQ IS NOT EVERYTHING. WHAT ABOUT TALENTS, SKILLS, PHYSICAL BEAUTY, NICE CHARACTER OF PERSONALITY AND MANY THINGS THAT DO NOT NEED IQ?!!! THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE THESE ONES EVEN THOUGH THEIR IQ IS NOT ALWAYS AVERAGE OR EVEN BETTER THAN AVERAGE. I NEVER CAN SUPPORT OR BE IN ANY CONTACT WITH ANYONE WHO SORT PEOPLE ACCORDING TO IQ !!!

* A ban on immigration from all nations where Sharia law is official and General immigration:
(This topic is IRRELEVANT because it will NOT be alloved any criminals to enter into our countries. ALL muslims will be automatically CRIMINALS because muslims support islamic criminal ideology that is on the same criminal level like the Nazi criminal ideology that is banned in Europe.)

I STRONGLY REFUSE to debate race relations even though many anti-Islamic activists oppose immigration of non-white people to Western countries. However, I support a selective limited restriction of the immigration according to concrete countries, NOT according to any race !!!

The reasons are two:

- Because a race is IRRELEVANT !!! Because muslims / Islam is NOT any race!!! A lot of muslims are white people, as well. BLACK PEOPLE HAVE TO BE VERY WELCOME INTO OUR POLITICAL PARTY !!! (IF NOT, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS ORGANISATION / POLITICAL PARTY). Most of the VICTIMS of Islam are black people!!!

- ANY anti-Islamic activists (or anyones) WHO SEE insurmountable PROBLEM OF race relations and / or who are nationalists MUST NOT BE OUR allies BECAUSE SUCH ORGANISATIONS / POLITICAL PARTIES NEVER CAN GET THE VOTES FROM THE MAJORITY BECAUSE THE MAJORITY CALL SUCH POLITICAL PARTIES "EXTREMISTS" (CRAZY PEOPLE). OR DO YOU WANT TO ESTABLISH ANOTHER POLITICAL PARTY (ANOTHER ONE OF MANY SUCH PARTIES) THAT NEVER GET INTO A PARLIAMENT AND JUST IS FIGHTING IN THE STREETS AGAINST POLICE AND ANARCHISTS?!!!! I NEVER CAN SUPPORT ANYTHING OF THESE ONES! BECAUSE I WANT TO ESTABLISH A SOLID CREDITABLE POLITICAL PARTY WITH THE WIDE SUPPORT BY THE MAJORITY. NOT SOME POLITICAL GANG OF RASCALS FIGHTING IN THE STREETS!!!

* I REFUSE TO SUPPORT ANY ORGANISATION / POLITICAL PARTY WHERE WILL BE ANY RESTRICTION AND / OR NEGATIVE TALKING AGAINST ANY RACE OR / AND ANY CONTACT WITH ANY ORGANISATION / POLITICAL PARTY THAT WILL BE AGAINST ANY RACE !!!


* An immediate suspension of citizenship of Muslim citizens IF they keep the islamic ideology

* NOT to be against Multiculturalism (Because the problem is NOT foreigners who respect human rights /laws. But the problem is ISLAM / MUSLIMS !!!) If we would be against foreigners / IMMIGRANTS, it would mean, for example, ALL the Polish people will have to leave the west Europe which is NONSENSE !!!

* A massive production of electric cars to stop the import of oil from islamic countries!!!!

* Solar energy = solar panels on each roof !!!!

* Western governments cut spending to eliminate national debt according to views of experts

* A SUPPORT for Israel and its right for the military defence and its right for any preventive attacks

* A SUPPORT for any wars in the world where USA / NATO defends human rights, freedom

* Aggressively back Iranian paramilitary movements that oppose the Islamist government PLUS the preventive massive military attack Iran to stop the dangerous iranian nuclear programme and to change the political system in Iran (from the current islamic political system to democratic system with the ban on Islam !!!!)

* To make the military attacks more intense in Pakistan to stop Islam / terrorism there

* Even though I like the idea: "Changing driving side from left to right in the UK" and: "Metric system in the USA", I do not agree with these ideas because this one would VERY reduce the number of the votes from British and american people.

* I do not agree with: "Abolishing cash so that all financial transactions are electronic transactions" because this one would VERY reduce the number of the votes for us because there are a lot of people who like to use cash.

* Overpopulation in Europe and in USA is not current problem.

* foreign affairs / our foreign policy with islamic countries: Lets keep friendly relationship with the islamic countries that support The West. At the same time lets keep even more stronger pressure on them to make the reforms of their islamic system to respect human rights and freedoms!!!! P.S.: To keep friendly relationship with the islamic countries that support the West, does NOT mean, muslims (including the muslim friendly politicians (including the kings / presidents) from these countries will be allowed to enter into our countries!!! = The ban on muslims will be validated including on the muslims from the friendly islamic countries including their politicians (including the kings / presidents). Because ALL muslims are criminals because they support Islam that makes crimes against THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS = already AGAINST OUR CURRENT LAWS (!!!) because THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS is included in the constitutions in the most West countries!!! Islam is on the same criminal level like the Nazi ideology that is banned in Europe.



P.S.:
In this Forum Terms of service should be included this sentence:
Any support of islamic criminal ideology is prohibited !!!

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Re: Our manifesto

Post  polka23dot on Mon May 07, 2012 6:17 am

IslamVeryHates wrote:
I STRONGLY AM AGAINST eugenics = I STRONGLY AM AGAINST SORTING PEOPLE ACCORDING TO IQ !!! BECAUSE IQ IS NOT EVERYTHING. WHAT ABOUT TALENTS, SKILLS, PHYSICAL BEAUTY, NICE CHARACTER OF PERSONALITY AND MANY THINGS THAT DO NOT NEED IQ?!!!

"The US military has minimum enlistment standards at about the IQ 85 level. There have been two experiments with lowering this to 80 but in both cases these men could not master soldiering well enough to justify their costs." source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

IQ is not everything, but if you have very low IQ, you are unemployable and everyone believes that you are an idiot. Having very low IQ is a personal tragedy and a global tragedy.

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Re: Our manifesto

Post  IslamVeryHates on Mon May 07, 2012 10:44 am

Can't you understand there are jobs (works) where you don't need a high /standard IQ but manual skills or other things? Contrary, there are very educated people with an university degree (diplom) (and with very high IQ) but they are not able to even just drive in a nail.

By the way, middle and high class refuse to do labour works. Even, there are labour professions where employers cannot get enough employees. The diversification of human kinds is necessary, natural and useful.

P.S. What you say is a good example WHY ALL the anti-islam parties /organizations NEVER can get the massive support from the majority to get into parliaments to save Europe /USA from the islamic criminal political ideology.

BECAUSE THEY MIX MANY CRAZY THINGS into the political programmes. That's why THE MAJORITY CALL SUCH POLITICAL PARTIES "EXTREMISTS" = CRAZY PEOPLE. OR DO YOU WANT TO ESTABLISH ANOTHER POLITICAL PARTY (ANOTHER ONE OF MANY SUCH PARTIES) THAT NEVER CAN GET INTO A PARLIAMENT AND JUST IS FIGHTING IN THE STREETS AGAINST POLICE AND ANARCHISTS? I NEVER CAN SUPPORT ANYTHING OF THESE ONES!

BECAUSE I WANT TO ESTABLISH A SOLID CREDITABLE POLITICAL PARTY WITH THE ACCENT ON A DEFENCE AGAINST THE ISLAMIC CRIMINAL POLITICAL IDEOLOGY, WITH THE WIDE SUPPORT FROM THE MAJORITY TO GET INTO PARLIAMENTS TO SAVE EUROPE / USA. NOT SOME POLITICAL GANG OF RASCALS FIGHTING IN THE STREETS LIKE MANY ANTI-ISLAM NATIONALIST RACIST XENOPHOBIC POLITICAL PARTIES THAT NEVER CAN GET THE SUPPORT FROM THE MAJORITY TO GET INTO THE PARLIAMENTS!!!

WE NEVER MAY CONTACT SUCH PARTIES /ORGANIZATIONS SO AS NOT TO LOSE THE GOOD CREDIT AND THE RESPECT FROM THE MAJORITY TO GET MUCH ENOUGH VOTES TO GET INTO THE PARLIAMENTS.


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My suggestions for our organisation

Post  T.J. Donatello on Tue May 08, 2012 5:36 am

Evening, gentlemen.

I am going to put forward some suggestions, some in response to your own.

First and foremost, the last thing the Templars (name is currently tentative, I think we'll all agree) should do is become a political party. Political parties are paralysed by moderateness today - or at least, any party that wants to have a chance of winning an election. It is the motto today: most moderate party wins, because they can appease (not please) the most people. Political parties are bound by electoral laws, and have staff that need to be paid.

Our organisation needs to keep free of that.

My suggestion is that we start out as a forum, and build further into a think-tank.


Some of you have already read my suggestions from my emails on YouTube. But I will list them here also. Keep in mind, these are IDEAL legislation, and our ultimate goals. They are not meant to appease the moderates or those who fail to recognise the danger the Islamic Revolution presents.

A country, or province, or state, which wants to adequately protect itself from the Islamic Revolution, should implement all of the following:

- A ban on the construction of mosques and visibly Islamic structures

- A ban on immigration from all nations where Sharia law is official

- An immediate suspension of citizenship of Muslim citizens

- A six-month window in which all Muslims (excluding Ahmadis, who are not genuine Muslims) will be required to leave the country. If they leave within this window, they will be given $1000 per family member to cover the airline tickets, and they will be allowed to take any personal property with them. Failure to leave the country within this six-month window will result in arrest, impounding of all property, and deportation to a country of the government's choice

- Upon removal of all Muslims from the country, the government should immediately repossess all mosques and visibly Islamic structures or sites, and see that they are appropriately deconstructed, with the lots put up for auction

- Immediately withdrawing diplomatic staff from Islamic countries

- Immediately and permanently closing all embassies and consulates in Islamic countries

- Making severe reductions in economic trade and tourism with Islamic countries (see the Ethical Oil Institute for more on this)

- Refusing to participate in any UN or intergovernmental panel in which Sharia plays a part in the decision-making process

- Aggressively push for an independent Kurdistan

- Aggressively back Iranian paramilitary movements that oppose the Islamist government

- Assist countries like Russia (regarding Chechnya) and India with anti-terrorist activities wherever possible

- Place an immediate ban on sales of the Quran and other Islamist texts within the country

- Block all Islamic evangelisation websites within the country

- Monitor public social networking websites, such as YouTube, for Islamist evangelisation



My bottom line: although individual spirituality is one's own, although there will always be denominations within the Judeo-Christian faith, I believe that the world must end its Humanistic UN governance and base all global standards on Judeo-Christian principles, as described by the think-tank ChristianGovernance.


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Re: Our manifesto

Post  polka23dot on Tue May 08, 2012 10:51 am

TonoFonseca wrote:

- An immediate suspension of citizenship of Muslim citizens

I would rather revoke it. I have added it to our goals.

- A six-month window in which all Muslims (excluding Ahmadis, who are not genuine Muslims) will be required to leave the country. If they leave within this window, they will be given $1000 per family member to cover the airline tickets, and they will be allowed to take any personal property with them. Failure to leave the country within this six-month window will result in arrest, impounding of all property, and deportation to a country of the government's choice

We can't deport all Muslims in just 6 months, and we cannot afford to keep them in jail. I changed my favorite deportation destination twice. I now favor Kerkennah Islands. These islands are close to Europe, big enough to hold tents for the entire population of European Muslims, and they are defended by poorly trained Tunisian navy and air force. The 4800-man Tunisian navy has 31 small ships - 25 patrol boats and 6 other craft. Tunisian air force has 4,000 personnel and 18 obsolete airplanes: 12 fighters (Northrop F-5E Tiger II) and 6 ground attack planes (Aermacchi MB-326). One modern jet fighter can annihilate the entire Tunisian navy and air force.

My favorite deportation destinations:
Kerkennah Islands (Tunisian islands) have total area of 160 square kilometers.
Lampedusa (Italian island near Tunisia and entry point for illegal immigrants from Africa) has total area of 20.2 square kilometers.
Ceuta (Spanish enclave in North Africa) has total area of 18.5 square kilometers.

- Place an immediate ban on sales of the Quran and other Islamist texts within the country

Muslims give away free Korans. They are used as kindling and toilet paper. Geert Wilders wants to ban the Koran, but it is silly idea because anyone can download the Koran from the Internet and because banning books violates the freedom speech. A more important issue is that most of the English translations of the Koran are made by Muslims and sugar-coated to make us believe that Islam is a religion of peace.

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Re: Our manifesto

Post  IslamVeryHates on Tue May 08, 2012 11:37 am

To TonoFonseca and to the others:


First and foremost, the last thing the Templars (name is currently tentative, I think we'll all agree) should do is become a political party"
What way you could make the changes you suggested if we will not be a political party to make the changes with making the new laws in parliaments? ...And to implement them into the everyday life by our ministers (Secretaries of State) for the Interior (Home Office), the Ministry / Department of Defence and Ministry of Justice and the others? (By the way, there will not be needed many new laws, anyway. But will be a big job to implement the current laws into the everyday life. Because it will be enough to respect the CURRENT laws because Islam makes crimes against THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS = already AGAINST OUR CURRENT LAWS (!!!) because THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS is included in the constitutions in the most West countries!!! = Islam is a crime already according to the current laws!!!


What way you could make the changes you suggested if we will not be a political party in the government with our ministers (Secretaries of State) for the Interior (Home Office), the Ministry / Department of Defence and Ministry of Justice and the others? What way if not with this way? With the violence (fighting) in the streets? That would mean a civil war in Europe / USA. I think it is NOT the time for this one, yet. First we have to try the peaceful way according to my suggestion. (SEE my first post on this forum.)

Political parties are paralysed by moderateness day - or at least, any party that wants to have a chance of winning an election. It is the motto today: most moderate party wins, because they can appease (not please) the most people.

Yes, it is true. But WHY IS SUCH SITUATION? WHY THE MAJORITY (VOTERS) REFUSE THE SELF-DEFENCE AGAINST ISLAMIC CRIMINAL IDEOLOGY?

There are TWO reasons why:

1) The majority doesn't have the TRUE knowledge about Islam because there's the taboo to talk about the real Islam. The taboo is BECAUSE:
2) Because the anti-islam parties / organizations include RACISM, NAZISM, FASCISM, hidden COMMUNISM, NATIONALISM, XENOPHOBIA in their political programme in spite of the fact these ones are IRRELEVANT to the problem of Islam.


- It is NOT "moderate" to refuse RACISM, NAZISM, FASCISM, COMMUNISM, NATIONALISM, XENOPHOBIA, because it is true, RACISM, NAZISM, FASCISM, COMMUNISM, NATIONALISM, XENOPHOBIA, are bad shits.

- The public education of the majority we will make with the permanent trials: WE WILL MAKE PERMANENT lawsuits: We should be filing lawsuits, (To sue Islam and their supporters = muslims) because Islam makes crimes against THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS = already AGAINST OUR CURRENT LAWS (!!!) because THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS is included in the constitutions in the most West countries!!!

- The trials will more and more wake up the majority and will more and more educate the majority. (Like the trials about Breivik and Geert Wilders). Of course, we will have to get more and more contacts to mass media (concrete people) so that the news could be published / put out. With this way our political party will get the publicity>we will become well known> votes for us from the majority.

Political parties are bound by electoral laws, and have staff that need to be paid. Our organisation needs to keep free of that.


Noooooo! Why should we keep free of that? The electoral laws are fully acceptable for us! Contrary, the current political parties that are in parliaments are the ones who break the CURRENT laws because they tolerate Islam in spite of the fact Islam makes crimes against THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS = already AGAINST OUR CURRENT LAWS (!!!) because THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS is included in the constitutions in the most West countries!!! THIS IS THE POINT WHY WE SHOULD PERMANENTLY BRINING MANY NEW AND NEW lawsuits against Islam, muslims, politicians, the judiciary (concrete judges), the police etc. Because it is their duty to enforce the observance of the CURRENT laws!!! There are the current laws saying they must NOT neglect their duties! Even, we should be brinning lawsuits saying they (politicians, the judiciary (concrete judges), the police etc.) abuse their power of the public servants!!! Because they have to be the ones who arrest and condemn muslims!!!! It is THEIR duty according to the CURRENT laws because Islam makes crimes against THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS = already AGAINST OUR CURRENT LAWS (!!!) because THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS is included in the constitutions in the most West countries!!!

TonoFonseca and polka23dot, let's stop wasting time with talking about details like the ban on the construction of mosques and visibly Islamic structures and a ban on Koran, ...and the other things, because these things (mosques & Koran) are ILLEGAL already according to our CURRENT laws because Islam makes crimes against THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS = already AGAINST OUR CURRENT LAWS (!!!) because THE CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND BASIC FREEDOMS is included in the constitutions in the most West countries!!!

Let's talk about HOW to GET THE POWER to implement the current laws into the everyday life to ban Islam and its supporters and whatever what is connected to Islam (eg. its symbols etc.) Let's talk about MAIN FEATURES & GOALS OF OUR POLITICAL PARTY. Also, please, let me know whether you are going to keep your views about sorting people according to a race, nationality and IQ (and the other things I do not agree). ...So that I do not need to waste my time here. Because with such things I do not see any perspective on our successful project to defend Europe /USA from Islam. I am not going to establish ONE MORE organization / political party (One more of MANY CURRENT ones) for the majority makes fun of, calling them extremists (rascals, crazy people) who just fight in the streets against police and anarchists.








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Post  T.J. Donatello on Wed May 09, 2012 4:07 am

Did you not read anything I said? A political party alone cannot save a country from Islam. It has to be a WHOLE MOVEMENT - encompassing civil government, social rules, and everything else that makes up society. Besides, a political party is not only bound by elections and electoral laws, its authority only extends to the level of government the party is participating in.

I am a member of a federal party here in Canada called the Christian Heritage Party.

Instead of opting to "replace" movements like Act For America and the British National Party and the Dutch Freedom Party and all these, we need to work together with them. The more organisations there are fighting against Islam, the easier the battle will be for us.

By the way, good sir, I do not live in Europe or the USA. So please use another term. I use the terms "Christendom" and "pan-European countries". Even if they are more of a mouthful, they are more accurate.


Oh, and polka23dot, I am against IMPORTATION and SALES of the Quran; I am not opposed to ownership of the Quran.


By the way, is anybody working on recruitment for our organisation right now? I've offered BigRedChester on YouTube a spot in our organisation, but he hasn't replied.

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Post  polka23dot on Wed May 09, 2012 9:49 am

TonoFonseca wrote: By the way, is anybody working on recruitment for our organisation right now? .

I do not. I did lots of work on YouTube and a little work on Facebook. You can find anti-Islamic activists on other websites:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/121494405656/?ref=ts
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/
http://frontpagemag.com/
http://www.islam-watch.org/
http://www.danielpipes.org/
http://englishdefenceleague.org/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/
http://pjmedia.com/
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/
http://www.bnp.org.uk/


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Post  IslamVeryHates on Wed May 09, 2012 3:17 pm

Did you not read anything I said? A political party alone cannot save a country from Islam. It has to be a WHOLE MOVEMENT - encompassing civil government, social rules, and everything else that makes up society.
Yes, I did read.
I've never said a political party ALONE. Europe & North America (= N.A.) should be saved by the MAJORITY of ALL POPULATION of Europe &N.Am. that will vote in the parliamentary election (& presidential election). Such majority of such voters of ALL population in Europe/N.A. that will vote us (if we get the parliamentary majority) , willl be the BIGGEST MOVEMENT EVER !!!!! Some groups of activists are nothing, comparing with the MAJORITY of ALL POPULATION of Europe &N.Am. In the real, it will not be our political party ALONE but it will be our voters who will save Europe/N.A. The voters of our politcal party will ask us to make the concrete civil government, social rules, and everything else that makes up society according to our political programme that the majority of the population will like and that's why the majority will vote our political party. THis is DEMOCRACY. (Not anarchy where some small groups of activists blackmail the majority of the population, with some aggressive actions.)

Besides, a political party is not only bound by elections and electoral laws, its authority only extends to the level of government the party is participating in.
Yes, you're right. But if our party will get the parliamentary majority, the government will be set up by only our people who will be doing according to our political programme. And that is great!!! Ecellent!!!

Instead of opting to "replace" movements like Act For America and the British National Party and the Dutch Freedom Party and all these, we need to work together with them. The more organisations there are fighting against Islam, the easier the battle will be for us.

I only am happy to work with anything /anyone what/who will have the similar political programme like our political party. (But I strongly refuse to work with anyone who support RACISM, NAZISM, FASCISM, COMMUNISM / SOCIALISM, NATIONALISM, XENOPHOBIA etc. Because these ideologies are bad and also because we would lose the support (the votes) from the majority of the population!)

By the way, is anybody working on recruitment for our organisation right now? I've offered BigRedChester on YouTube a spot in our organisation, but he hasn't replied.
To start the recruitment, first of all, we need to make the MAIN FEATURES & GOALS OF OUR POLITICAL PARTY AND ITS NAME.

....electoral laws....
I already said the electoral laws are very acceptable for our political party. If you do not agree, tell me WHAT EXACTLY is not acceptable.

TonoFonseca, you havn't answered me, yet, what way you could make the changes you suggested if we will not be a political party in the parliaments Question

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Post  T.J. Donatello on Wed May 09, 2012 6:54 pm

We need to reach the goals I listed by changing public opinion. Public opinion influences all levels of civil government, and the changes I listed will become a permanent element of politics and society in the places we have influences. Political parties come and go and people want to make changes to what political parties have done. But if the ideals I listed become part of the very fabric of society, people will not think "let's change this at the next election".

I agree that the Templars needs to be a multilateral organsation of people who understand what Islam is (a pseudo-religion dedicated to planetary rule, rather than a spiritual path) and who want to not only prohibit its spores from rotting our own nations, but also working to eradicate it worldwide. We MUST pursue peaceful methods, otherwise we will be called "just as bad as the Islamic terrorists".

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Post  polka23dot on Wed May 09, 2012 8:55 pm

It is easier to join existing political party and take it over (or split it) than to create a new political party from scratch. I believe that Templars should remain a debating forum in the foreseeable future. Our biggest problem now is the lack of active supporters.

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Post  IslamVeryHates on Wed May 09, 2012 11:41 pm

Political parties come and go and people want to make changes to what political parties have done.
In the most countries in the West there are 2 or 3 main political parties that are almost always coming back into the governments (they are exchanging) (after a few years). How ever, the political parties usualy stay in the parliaments. Just the number of their members of parliaments is more or fewer after each election.

We need to reach the goals I listed by changing public opinion.
Ha ha ha Laughing Laughing Laughing Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes How you want to change the public opinion when mainstream mass media doesn't allow to TRULY educate the public about the REAL Islam Question Question That's naive. Laughing Islamization will be finished sooner than your changing public opinion. Laughing ONLY with the trials (SEE my first post) we can get "into" the mainstream mass media like Geert Wilders and Anders Behring Breivik did it. Actually, this is only the reason why Breivik killed 77 communists: to get himself "into" the mainstream mass media to wake the population up!


Instead of opting to "replace" movements like Act For America and the British National Party and the Dutch Freedom Party and all these, we need to work together with them. The more organisations there are fighting against Islam, the easier the battle will be for us.

ANYWAY, THERE'S A BIG PART OF POPULATION, THAT ALREADY KNOWS HOW BAD ISLAM IS, BUT THIS BIG PART OF THE POPULATION DOES NOT HAVE WHAT TO VOTE BECAUSE THE MOST ANTI-ISLAM PARTIES INCLUDE VERY BAD THINGS LIKE: RACISM, NAZISM, FASCISM, COMMUNISM / SOCIALISM, NATIONALISM, XENOPHOBIA etc. IN THEIR POLITICAL PROGRAMME.

THE MAIN PROBLEM IS THE POPULATION DOES NOT HAVE WHAT TO VOTE BECAUSE THE MOST ANTI-ISLAM PARTIES INCLUDE VERY BAD THINGS LIKE: RACISM, NAZISM, FASCISM, COMMUNISM / SOCIALISM, NATIONALISM, XENOPHOBIA etc. IN THEIR POLITICAL PROGRAMME.
THAT'S WHY IT IS VERY USEFUL TO ESTABLISH SUCH ANTI-ISLAMIC PARTY THAT WILL NOT INCLUDE RACISM, NAZISM, FASCISM, COMMUNISM / SOCIALISM, NATIONALISM, XENOPHOBIA etc. IN ITS POLITICAL PROGRAMME.



...but also working to eradicate it worldwide.
WHERE "worldwide"? Do you mean in the islamic countries? How you can eradicate Islam in the islamic countries when we are not able even to stop Islamization even "at home" in our countries Rolling Eyes In the islamic countries has to be used the military force, mainly! NOTHING else works!

We MUST pursue peaceful methods, otherwise we will be called "just as bad as the Islamic terrorists".
HA HA HA How you can pursue peaceful methods???? At the moment muslims will get know about your ban on the construction of mosques and visibly Islamic structures, thousands of muslims will be in the streets demolishing shop windows, cars etc. They will be fighting to save their mosques. Just remember what they were doing just because that funny cartoon.

It is easier to join existing political party and take it over (or split it) than to create a new political party from scratch.
Good idea! BUT what way you can spread this idea among the anti-islam organisations / people to be kept secret???

I believe that Templars should remain a debating forum in the foreseeable future.
I am talking about in 5-10 years to attend parliamentary elections. (Not now!)

Our biggest problem now is the lack of active supporters.
NOOOOOOO ! That's not the current problem. Because first of all we have to make the MAIN FEATURES & GOALS OF OUR POLITICAL PARTY AND ITS NAME to be able to say to the new people what we are to start the recruitment.

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Post  T.J. Donatello on Thu May 10, 2012 6:26 am

Your over-dissection of my opinions is getting us nowhere.

If you are interested in cooperating with your fellow opponents of the Islamic Revolution, I recommend welcoming a little diversity of opinion. If you are here just for the sake of arguing then take it elsewhere. This organisation is not meant to brainwash its members.

The purpose of this section is to work on the manifesto of the Templars.
So let's work on it.

I have listed the NEEDS that 21st century societies will REQUIRE if they are to adequately defend themselves from the Islamic plague. Perhaps we could come up with some effective methods of achieving these, because without them we are just an empty lot waiting for the rats to move in.

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Post  polka23dot on Thu May 10, 2012 8:50 am

We have two options:
1. We focus our attention on Islam, and ignore all other problems. This option eliminates controversial issues (eugenics and human population control), but it is not suitable for a political party.
2. We include in our manifesto broad range of global problems and our favorite solutions to these problems, so that we attract all kinds of smart people united by their desire to deal with the global problems. This option is suitable for a political party and it ensures long-term cohesion of our supporters, but it is rejected by those who do not want to deal with the controversial issues.

IslamVeryHates wants to create a single-issue political party - an anti-islamization party. Single-issue political parties are failures because the voters care about many issues, mostly economics.

By the way, we have five active supporters including myself. Two of them live in the United Kingdom. One lives in Canada. One lives in Poland. One lives in the Netherlands. UK is in the worst shape - it has lots of Muslims, sharia courts, and the policy of appeasement. Poland is in the best shape - it has few Muslims and its population welcomes new mosques as much as nuclear waste dumps.

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Post  IslamVeryHates on Thu May 10, 2012 9:40 am

Yes we have two options:

1) We focus our attention on Islam, and ignore CRAZY BAD topics. This option eliminates CRAZY BAD issues (nationalism, sorting people acording to IQ, race etc.), but IT IS suitable for a SUCCESSFUL political party: it doesn't include the CRAZY BAD things that the majority REFUSES because the majority of the voters is looking for such political party because in the current time there's NO such political party. (The most political anti-islam parties / organizations include those CRAZY BAD things, THIS IS WHY THEY ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL in the parliamentary elactions)

2) We include in our manifesto THE CRAZY BAD THINGS, so that we lose all kinds of smart people united by their desire to deal with the global problems. This option is NOT suitable for a political party and it does NOT ensures long-term cohesion of our supporters (because it just is POPULISM for small groups of crazy activists), it is NOT rejected by those who do want to deal with the CRAZY BAD issues, only.

In the West, mostly, there are 2 main kinds of political parties / organizations:

1) The current political PRO-islam parties that are in the parliaments (Except Geert Wilders's party)
2) Many ANTI-islam political parties / organizations that also support the CRAZY BAD things (nationalism, sorting people acording to IQ, race etc.). These ones are NOT in parliaments. (And NEVER will be!!!)

The majority of the population doesn't have any ANTI-islam party that doesn't support the CRAZY BAD things (sorting people acording to IQ, race etc.).

THIS IS WHY THE ISLAMIZATION WILL ACHIEVE VICTORY BECAUSE THE WEST IS NOT ABLE TO SELF-DEFEND BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION DOESN'T HAVE ANY ANTI-ISLAM SERIOUS SOLID POLITICAL PARTY TO VOTE.

Because there are those ONLY 2 main kinds of political parties / organizations, we have the real chance to establish a successful ANTI-islam political party (without the CRAZY BAD things (nationalism, sorting people acording to IQ, race etc.)) that will be voted by the majority of the population. That's only ONE way how to self-defend and achieve victory over the islamization.

THE MIXING THOSE CRAZY BAD THINGS (nationalism, sorting people acording to IQ, race etc.) WITH THE SELF-DEFENCE AGAINST ISLAMIZATION IS THE cause OF ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH ISLAMIZATION. Because if there would NOT be included the crazy bad things into the political programmes of the ANTI-islam political parties, the majority of the population would vote such parties, the parliaments and the governments (with police, soldiers, the judiciary etc.) would NOT allow any muslim in Europe & North America!!!
Guys,
you already know my views (SEE ABOVE ALL MY POSTS).

After you will have ready the MAIN FEATURES & GOALS OF OUR POLITICAL PARTY AND ITS NAME, let me know.

After that, I will tell you whether I can support you or not. Simple.



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Post  polka23dot on Thu May 10, 2012 8:09 pm

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A real political party is unified by a platform that provides detailed solutions to a variety of problems and issues, including economy, abortion, religion, freedom of speech, taxation, welfare, foreign trade, foreign policy, immigration, education, defense spending, gun ownership, crime, environment, etc.

If we have the ambition to create political parties (now or in the future), we have to deal with these problems. All European anti-Islamic parties are conservative parties. Some of them are racist parties. I am a moderate left-winger, so I dislike conservatives and racists. Eugenics and human population control are NOT crazy ideas, but they are controversial. The word eugenics is controversial, but cheap eugenic technologies are very popular. Chinese government is not crazy and it is very proud of its human population control policy. Eugenics and human population control are controversial for the same reason that evolution and atheism are controversial. All high-caliber scientists (except Francis Collins) are atheists or agnostics. Most of them support evolution and eugenics, and most of them believe that human population explosion is a disaster. I have the same views because I am smart person.

As soon as we declare publicly that Islam is a supremacist ideology, we will be called racists and Nazis, and Muslims will try to kill us. We are going to be controversial no matter what we do. Being controversial does not meant being wrong. It means opposing the majority point of view. I believe that our most useful task will be talking about controversial and taboo topics to prove that 'the king is naked.' If we become anti-taboo fighters, we should change our name to 'Taboo Busters.'

European anti-Islamic parties (followed by % of popular vote): Dutch Party for Freedom (33% in September 2010), Danish People's Party (13.8%), Sweden Democrats (13.8%), Austrian Freedom Party (17.5%), Italian Northern League (8.3%), Norwegian Progress Party (22.9%), Swiss People's Party (28.9%) British National Party (1.9%), French National Front (10.4%), True Finns (5%), Platform for Catalonia (65,905 votes). The British and French parties are racist. All these parties, except Danish, Italian, and French parties are growing rapidly. British Freedom Party is less than one year old and non-racist.


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Post  IslamVeryHates on Thu May 10, 2012 9:56 pm

A real political party is unified by a platform that provides detailed solutions to a variety of problems and issues, including economy, abortion, religion, freedom of speech, taxation, welfare, foreign trade, foreign policy, immigration, education, defense spending, gun ownership, crime, environment, etc.
If we have the ambition to create political parties (now or in the future), we have to deal with these problems.
That's NOT problem! I have very clear views about each thing you mentioned above. But first of all, you and the others, have to tell me whether will be included nationalism, sorting people according to race, IQ, etc. so that I can know whether I could support this organization / political party or not.

As soon as we declare publicly that Islam is a supremacist ideology, we will be called racists and Nazis, and Muslims will try to kill us. We are going to be controversial no matter what we do. Being controversial does not meant being wrong. It means opposing the majority point of view. I believe that our most useful task will be talking about controversial and taboo topics to prove that 'king is naked.' If we become anti-taboo fighters, we should change our name to 'Taboo Busters.'
The fact Islam is supremacist ideology, is NOT any controversial. It is simply true. The ones who do not agree, just should read Koran. Simple. So, we do not need the name: "anti-taboo fighters" or " 'Taboo Busters". I support the name: "STOP ISLAMIZATION" to concentrate only on the defence against islamization and on the standard political topics you mentioned. The name should be chosen with voting by future members of our political party.

P.S. NON-muslim people of any race (including black race) have to be very welcome to become the members of our political party!!!

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Post  polka23dot on Fri May 11, 2012 9:04 am

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I made this forum in order to debate the most practicable and humane solutions to the explosive growth of Muslim population in the West. Unfortunately, we are not debating this issue. Whether our debating forum becomes an organization is, in my opinion, less important. If we are going to spawn political parties, or transform existing anti-Islamic parties, we should debate wide range of issues that are generally included in the platforms of political parties. If we had 100 active members, we could vote on those issues. We have only 3 active members, so we are not a representative sample of the anti-Islamic movement, and voting on the issues does not make sense. If we debate an issue, our arguments must be based on logic. If our arguments are based on religion, or likes, or dislikes, our debate will quickly degenerate into a religious debate - for example a debate between a Jew and a Catholic about which religion is the best.

I am not sure if we should make broad political platform. If we do, I would like to include eugenics and human population control in this platform. Eugenics and human population control are the only solutions to horrible global problems. Eugenics is already very popular but the word eugenics is regarded as controversial. The coercive implementation of the human population control in China is controversial, but more benign implementations: free sterilization, free contraceptives, financial incentives, and propaganda, are not controversial.

Your opposition to nationalism is a problem because, to the best of my knowledge, all European anti-Islamic parties are nationalist parties.

Our biggest problem now is that we do not have enough smart debaters in this forum. We desperately need more active users. Please bring at least one smart debater to this forum.


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Post  IslamVeryHates on Fri May 11, 2012 9:42 am

To start the recruitment, I need to be sure this is NOT any organization where people are sorted accordring to race, IQ, nationality, etc. I am going to participate in the defence against Islam (and in the standard political topics), only. Sorry.
Good Luck
Your opposition to nationalism is a problem because, to the best of my knowledge, all European anti-Islamic parties are nationalist parties.
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Yes we have two options:

1) We focus our attention on Islam, and ignore CRAZY BAD topics. This option eliminates CRAZY BAD issues (nationalism, sorting people acording to IQ, race etc.), but IT IS suitable for a SUCCESSFUL political party: it doesn't include the CRAZY BAD things that the majority REFUSES because the majority of the voters is looking for such political party because in the current time there's NO such political party. (The most political anti-islam parties / organizations include those CRAZY BAD things, THIS IS WHY THEY ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL in the parliamentary elactions)

2) We include in our manifesto THE CRAZY BAD THINGS, so that we lose all kinds of smart people united by their desire to deal with the global problems. This option is NOT suitable for a political party and it does NOT ensures long-term cohesion of our supporters (because it just is POPULISM for small groups of crazy activists), it is NOT rejected by those who do want to deal with the CRAZY BAD issues, only.

In the West, mostly, there are 2 main kinds of political parties / organizations:

1) The current political PRO-islam parties that are in the parliaments (Except Geert Wilders's party)
2) Many ANTI-islam political parties / organizations that also support the CRAZY BAD things (nationalism, sorting people acording to IQ, race etc.). These ones are NOT in parliaments. (And NEVER will be!!!)

The majority of the population doesn't have any ANTI-islam party that doesn't support the CRAZY BAD things (sorting people acording to IQ, race etc.).

THIS IS WHY THE ISLAMIZATION WILL ACHIEVE VICTORY BECAUSE THE WEST IS NOT ABLE TO SELF-DEFEND BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION DOESN'T HAVE ANY ANTI-ISLAM SERIOUS SOLID POLITICAL PARTY TO VOTE.

Because there are those ONLY 2 main kinds of political parties / organizations, we have the real chance to establish a successful ANTI-islam political party (without the CRAZY BAD things (nationalism, sorting people acording to IQ, race etc.)) that will be voted by the majority of the population. That's only ONE way how to self-defend and achieve victory over the islamization.

THE MIXING THOSE CRAZY BAD THINGS (nationalism, sorting people acording to IQ, race etc.) WITH THE SELF-DEFENCE AGAINST ISLAMIZATION IS THE cause OF ALL THE PROBLEMS WITH ISLAMIZATION. Because if there would NOT be included the crazy bad things into the political programmes of the ANTI-islam political parties, the majority of the population would vote such parties, the parliaments and the governments (with police, soldiers, the judiciary etc.) would NOT allow any muslim in Europe & North America!!!
However, I support a selective limited restriction of the immigration by (from) concrete countries = by (from) concrete citizenships, NOT by (from) any race, IQ, nationality, etc !!!

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Post  polka23dot on Fri May 11, 2012 5:39 pm

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I agree with most of your ideas, but most of them are minor details. I thought about adding pork to all processed food, but it is silly idea because Muslims will simply stop eating processed food. Closing the mosques and anti-Islamic propaganda will have little effect. Making clear that Muslims are not welcome will have stronger effect, but I do not want to abuse Muslims.

If we fail, European neo-Nazis will gain political power. They will try to kill all Muslims, Jews, and non-white people. If they defeat Muslims, they will establish regimes resembling the regimes of Francisco Franco and Augusto Pinochet. I have no reason to believe that these regimes will last longer than the regimes of Franco and Pinochet - democracy will be restored when the fascist generation dies out.
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TonoFonseca sent me very interesting link about U.S. army Lt. Col. Matthew Dooley:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/11/u-s-military-class-taught-total-war-against-islam-destroying-mecca-necessary-for-fighting-radicals/

Dooley is a smart guy who understands Islam and would be valued member of our organization. His article is here: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2012/05/dooley_counter_jihad_op_design_v11.pdf

Dooley's concluding remark:
"Whether the United States chooses to declare war or not is no longer relevant question. The fact that the US, and the western world in general, are in a fight for our very survival is a matter now intuitively obvious to any who have observed the basic, undisputed elements of Islam. The Islamist community has made its true intent clear, through the direct actions of its jihadist membership, the ongoing complicit acceptance of radical views and actions by those who profess moderation, and the inability of the ideology to offer honest compromise. The well documented ongoing aggression of Islam, observed for over 1300 years and only gaining momentum, has left those who do not follow the Islamist view few realistic choices, other than death or submission. It is therefore time for the United States to make our true intentions clear. This barbaric ideology will no longer be tolerated. Islam must change or we will facilitate its self-destruction. Let it be known that the United States remains, and will forever be, a beacon of freedom, self determination, hope, and representative democracy. The American people will not be converted. We will; not submit. We will not be intimidated, and we will not be driven from this earth."


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Post  T.J. Donatello on Sat May 12, 2012 5:02 am

I do not believe that fascists will take over if we fail. It is big government that has gotten Europe into the mess it is in right now. Increasing distrust of the political establishment is fuelling regionalist nationalist movements, like the UKIP in Great Britain (I have a contact member of that party on YouTube at the username STOPTHEEU). Besides, there are too many bad memories about totalitarian governments in most parts of Europe. The only way they have not gone in a long time is a decentralised path, so I think that will be the next thing for them.

You said you dislike conservatives; that surprised me. You've got a conservative right here. Nonetheless, the Templars needs to either declare an apolitical stance, with our goal being the eradication of Islam generally, or otherwise declare ourselves centrists, in order to put ourselves in a neutral position between the usually moderate-right and moderate-left conflict. Even if we do declare ourselves centrists, palaeoconservative movements will still be allied with us. The usual ultraliberals will never support us at all; they are too friendly with Islam. So we should stop trying to appease them.
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My bottom line is that the easiest way for the political establishment to kill the Templars is to label us as "a political instrument of (fill in the blank, name a right-wing party trying to win an election)". Although Templar members can discuss privately amongst ourselves who we support, we should just tell other people to "support a democratic party that opposes the Islamic Revolution". Here in Canada, there are a handful of small parties, such as the Christian Heritage Party (of which I am a member) and the Libertarian Party who oppose the Islamic Revolution. The ruling Conservative Party is a little ambiguous on the subject...

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Post  polka23dot on Sat May 12, 2012 10:41 am

TonoFonseca wrote:You said you dislike conservatives; that surprised me.

All the conservatives I know are U.S. Republicans. They are strongly influenced by Christian fundamentalists who abuse homosexuals and want to ban abortions. Most U.S. Republicans do not care about endangered species and their habitats. I am an atheist and passionate tree-hugger, so I dislike the U.S. Republicans. Garrett Hardin, the author of "The Tragedy of the Commons" has always been my hero. Unlike other tree-huggers, I love science, advanced technology, and I favor eugenics and human population control.

Christians, homosexuals, and women are natural allies of the ant--Islamic movement because they are the main victims of Islam. Unfortunately, they are so stupid that they make no efforts to defend themselves. Western Christians make no effort to defend the Christians living in the Muslims countries. Worse yet, they tolerate frequent Muslim mob attacks on Christian clergy living in the United Kingdom. Homosexuals are more politically correct than anyone else. White women convert to Islam twice as often as white men and they usually marry non-white Muslims.

With the exception of east Europeans, the white people do not have the self-preservation instinct. On the other hand, the Mongoloids (Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans) have strong self-preservation instinct, are smarter than white people, and they probably will dominate the world when Muslims destroy the Western Civilization.

What is your opinion about deporting Muslims to Kerkennah Islands?

PS. We now have a gallery.

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my thoughts on all that

Post  TheresNoSatanButAllah on Wed May 16, 2012 6:19 pm

I think: We should be a anti racist and anti facist movement and declare it also clearly that way.
We should by at frist an organisation which documents the islamisation of europe, so I suppose everytime if anyone of us, discovers new facts about it we should collect it here. So that we can clearly show the people how far islamisation has become in every single country and what the different predictions are for the future in every single european country. - If there is a chance to stop it f.e. if there are right wing parties which have the possibility to get elected and furthermore have the power to stop islamisation. I think we should focus on that... there's in fact no real organisation in europe who is working on to expose islamisation in every single country with clear numbers... that's what we should do in my opinion for the beginning. After we gained a certain popularity by doing that, when more and more people recognize our organisation we can transform it into a political or social movement or kind of defence league with a clear programme what we would change.
Please tell me what you think about that!

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