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Post  polka23dot on Sun May 06, 2012 7:41 am

Islam is a fossilized culture of illiterate Bedouin brigands. Egypt, Syria, Mesopotamia, Persia, and India had very advanced civilizations before they were conquered by Muslims. The Muslim invaders transformed all these countries into impoverished hellholes.
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According to senior Saudi cleric Al-Fawzan the Sun revolves around the Earth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqv0iuiBta8

Saudi cleric named Sheikh Bandar al-Khaibari claims that the Sun revolves around the Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68f-BnnKj7U

"If one reads history of science textbooks prior to about 1980, one will find very little mention of Muslim “contributions” to physics and astronomy. This is reasonable, because there weren’t any. In the past generation, however, political correctness has dictated that Muslims be given credit for discoveries they did not make." - Frank J. Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics at Tulane University) source: http://pjmedia.com/blog/obama-flunks-history-at-cairo-u/?singlepage=true

"Today we [Muslims] are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race." - Pervez Musharraf (Pakistani President) source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1824455.stm

"No Muslim leader has publicly called for separating science from religion... Muslims are at war with other Muslims. If the radicals win, or can at least terrify the moderates into following their restrictions, then there will be no personal and intellectual freedom and hence no thinking, ideas, innovations, discoveries, or progress. Our real challenge is not better equipment or faster Internet connectivity but our need to break with mental enslavement, to change attitudes, and to win our precious freedom." - Pervez Hoodbhoy (Muslim physicist) source: http://www.meforum.org/2593/pervez-amirali-hoodbhoy-islam-science

"Deep down, Muslims feel that they have failed. There are around 1.5 billion Muslims in the entire world — but they cannot point to a substantial achievement in any field. Not in politics, not socially, not in the sciences or art or literature. The only thing they do with great devotion is fast and pray... people naturally feel this is a collective failure... I’m just sticking to the facts: what significant invention or discovery have Muslims made in the last thousand years? Electricity? Electromagnetic waves? Antibiotics? The combustion engine? Computers? No, nothing, at least nothing that makes for a modern civilization... This Insh’Allah mentality, according to which Allah is responsible for everything, is the opposite of the scientific way of thinking." - Pervez Hoodbhoy (Muslim physicist) source: http://www.redbrick.me/comment/international/the-roots-of-muslim-rage-british-born-extremism/

As of early 2009, Taliban had blown up 354 schools and they issued a decree that no girls in Pakistan may be educated after February 15, 2009. source: The Guardian (London), Jan. 20, 2009.

Most Muslim countries tolerate outright plagiarism in Ph.D. theses and published books. source: Hazem Zohny, "Iran urged to stamp out plagiarism," SciDevNet (London), Oct. 26, 2009; "Iran's Science Minister Accused of Plagiarism," Payvand Iran News (Mountain View, Calif.), Sept. 24, 2009.

"Despite everything we do for our Muslims, they continue to remain at the bottom of society - poor, backward and uneducated." - Lee Kwan Yew (prime minister of Singapore) source: Bernard Lewis, Notes on a Century… pp. 245-246.

How Islamic inventors did not change the world: http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Islamic_Inventions%3F_How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World

Islamic golden age: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwXtTwNvWXc

For all the oil revenues that have flowed into the wealthier Arab countries, the overall state of the Arab world is appalling. It does not produce one single manufactured product of sufficient quality to sell on world markets. Arab productivity is the lowest in the world. Nowhere in the Arab world is there a single world-class university. The once-great tradition of Arab scientific achievement that flowed from Andalusian Spain has degenerated into a few research programs in the fields of chemical and biological warfare. There is not one true democracy in the Arab world. No Arab State genuinely respects human rights. No Arab state hosts a responsible media. No Arab society fully respects the rights of women or minorities, and no Arab government has ever accepted public responsibility for its own shortcomings. Ralph Peters, writing in the New York Post, is not far wrong in describing the Arab Middle East as the world's first entirely parasitic culture because “it imitates poorly, consumes voraciously, spits hatred, exports death, and creates nothing”. Blame has become the opium of the Arabs, and the greatest blame for their failures is that directed at the United States and, of course, Israel. It is their power, not its uses, that enrages the Arabs who are trapped in their own self-made weakness. source: http://www.analyst-network.com/articles/203/ArabianNightmares.doc

Most of the scientists, poets and philosophers in Islam’s golden age (the time of the Abassid Caliphate) were Jews, Christians or Muslims who were suspected of apostasy or blasphemy. Many suffered harassment and even death. Thus if science did flourish during this golden age, it was in spite of Islam and not because of it. source: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Ohmyrus/islam_failed_muslims.htm

Muslims claim many, many accomplishments we know they had nothing to do with. Arabic numerals? From India. The concept of zero? From Babylonia. Parabolic arches? From Assyria. The much ballyhooed claim of translating the Greek corpus of knowledge into Arabic? It was the Christian Assyrians, who first translated to Syriac, then to Arabic. The first University? Not Al-Azhar in Cairo (988 A.D.), but the School of Nisibis of the Church of the East (350 A.D.), which had three departments: Theology, Philosophy and Medicine. Al-Azhar only teaches Theology. Speaking of medicine, Muslims will claim that medicine during the Golden Age of Islam, the Abbasid period, was the most advanced in the world. That is correct. But what they don't say is that the medical practitioners were exclusively Christians. The most famous medical family, the Bakhtishu family, Assyrians of the Church of the East, produced seven generations of doctors, who were the official physicians to the Caliphs of Baghdad for nearly 200 years… In his book How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, O'Leary lists 22 scholars and translators during the Golden Age of Islam; 20 were Christians, 1 was a Persian, and 1 was a Muslim. This covers about a 250 year period… It was al-Ghazali… who denounced natural laws, the very objective of science, as a blasphemous constraint upon the free will of Allah… Christianity asks the believer to think and analyze, to interpret and deduce. Islam asks the believer to obey blindly and without question. source: http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4D818187-782D-4AA9-BEFA-64C5A00D9677

The Assyrian historian Peter BetBasoo has noted that "when Arabs and Islam swept through the Middle East in 630 AD, they encountered 600 years of Assyrian Christian civilization, with a rich heritage, a highly developed culture, and advanced learning institutions. It is this civilization that became the foundation of the Arab civilization." What happened when Islam encountered this civilization? BetBasoo points out that the early astronomers in the Middle East "were not Arabs but Chaldeans and Babylonians (of present day south-Iraq), who for millennia were known as astronomers and astrologers, and who were forcibly Arabized and Islamized - so rapidly that by 750 AD they had disappeared completely" - that is, by the dawn of the Abbasid caliphate. source: http://www.realclearreligion.org/articles/2014/07/07/whitewashing_the_caliphate.html

Of the 60 scholars who translated the ancient Greek classics into Arabic during the Islamic Golden Age, according to scholar Dr Suha Rassam, 58 were Syriac Christians (and of the others, one was Jewish and the other a Sabian), since generally only Syriacs could speak both Arabic and Greek. source: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/edwest/2013/11/the-saudis-spread-their-ideas-around-the-world-why-dont-we/

Islam was impermeable to much of Greek thought, the Arab world's initial translations of it to Latin were not so much the work of "Islam" but of Aramaeans and Christian Arabs, a wave of translations of Aristotle began at the Mont Saint-Michel monastery in France 50 years before Arab versions of the same texts appeared in Moorish Spain… Bayt al-Hikma, or the House of Wisdom, said to be created by the Abassids in the ninth century, was limited to the study of Koranic science, rather than philosophy, physics or mathematics, as understood in the speculative context of Greek thought. source: http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=12398698

The architectural design of mosques, for example, long a source of pride among Muslims, was copied from the shape and structure of Byzantine churches… The seventh-century Dome of the Rock, considered today to have been first great mosque, was not only copied from Byzantine models, but was built by Byzantine craftsmen… The astrolabe was developed, if not perfected, long before Muhammad was born. Avicenna (980-1037), Averroes (1128-1198), and the other Muslim philosophers built on the work of the pagan Greek Aristotle. And Aristotle’s work was preserved from the ravages of the Dark Ages not first by Muslims, but by Christians such as the fifth-century priest Probus of Antioch, who introduced Aristotle to the Arabic-speaking world. The Christian Huneyn ibn-Ishaq (809-873) translated many works by Aristotle, Galen, Plato and Hippocrates into Syriac, from which they were translated into Arabic by his son. The Jacobite Christian Yahya ibn ‘Adi (893-974) also translated works of philosophy into Arabic, and wrote his own; his treatise The Reformation of Morals has occasionally been erroneously attributed to various of his Muslim contemporaries. His student, another Christian named Abu ‘Ali ‘Isa ibn Zur’a (943-1008), also made Arabic translations of Aristotle and other Greek writers from Syriac. The first Arabic-language medical treatise was written by a Christian priest and translated into Arabic by a Jewish doctor in 683. The first hospital, another source of pride among Muslims and often a prominent feature of Islamic accomplishment lists, was founded in Baghdad during the Abbasid caliphate by a Nestorian Christian. A pioneering medical school was founded at Gundeshapur in Persia — by Assyrian Christians. The world’s first university may not have been the Muslims’ Al-Azhar in Cairo, as is often claimed, but the Assyrian School of Nisibis. source: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/006014.php

Islam's much-vaunted "golden age" was in reality the twilight of the conquered pre-Islamic cultures, an echo of times passed. The brief cultural blossoming during the first centuries of Islamic rule owed its existence almost entirely to the pre-Islamic heritage in a region that was still, for a while, majority non-Muslim… Jihad piracy and slavery remained a serious threat to Europeans for more than a thousand years. As historian Ibn Khaldun proudly proclaimed about the early Middle Ages: "The Christian could no longer float a plank upon the sea." The reason why the West for centuries didn't have easy access to the Classical learning of the Byzantine Empire was because endemic Muslim raids made the Mediterranean unsafe for regular travel. It has to be the height of absurdity to block access to something and then take credit for transmitting it, yet that is precisely what Muslims do. source: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3017/print

"When we review the names of Muslim philosophers and scholars whose contribution to the West is pointed out by Western writers, such as Ibn Rushd, Ibn Al-Haitham, Ibn Sina, Al-Farbi, Al-Razi, Al-Khwarizmi, and their likes, we find that all of them were disciples of the Greek culture and they were individuals who were outside the [Islamic] mainstream. They were and continue to be unrecognized in our culture. We even burned their books, harassed them, [and] warned against them, and we continue to look at them with suspicion and aversion. How can we then take pride in people from whom we kept our distance and whose thought we rejected?... those exceptional individuals were not the product of Arab culture, but rather Greek culture. They are outside our cultural mainstream and we treated them as though they were foreign elements. Therefore we don't deserve to take pride in them, since we rejected them and fought their ideas. Conversely, when Europe learned from them it benefited from a body of knowledge which was originally its own because they were an extension of Greek culture, which is the source of the whole of Western civilization." - Ibrahim Al-Buleihi (Saudi Intellectual and a member of the Saudi Shura Council) source: http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/3264.htm

"The golden age of equal rights was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam. The myth was invented by Jews in nineteenth-century Europe as a reproach to Christians." - Bernard Lewis

Myth of Spain’s Islamic golden age: http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/140210/sec_id/140210

For hundreds of years the Middle East was the embodiment of real multicultural ideal, the thesaurus of spiritual and philosophical knowledge. Antique mystery religions and Zoroastrism; the Ebonites and the first Christian sects; Gnosticism and Kabbalistic teachings; the Neoplatonics and the Manichees, the Arians and the Nestorians -- all of them had co-existed in harmony… It was from this fathomless source, that European philosophy, theology and learning got strength which paved the way to freedom and liberal values… What has remained from the multicultural world of the Middle East? Do the Zoroastrians and Bahai's stay in Iran, their homeland? It will be easer to find them in a cemetery in that country, than living. Those who could escape flew to India and the West. Had the Sufis remained in Saudi Arabia? No, they were annihilated by the regime as the enemies of "true Islam". Can you find a branch of Ahmadiyya movement at least in one of the countries of the Middle East?… The Christians of Iraq and the West Bank escaped to the USA and Canada. Copts left Egypt… In 20-30 years the Middle East will turn into a multicultural cemetery with an oasis in the form of Israel… One more step, and instead of the cradle of humanity only a scorched desert of hatred will be left here. And this desert will spread to the North and South, to the East and West. It will enter the open doors of your house; devour you and your family, your clubs, cafes, libraries, theaters, and galleries. You have got used to freedom; you don't know what the world without freedom is. I know it because I have grown up in communist Moscow. But I also know the Middle East. And believe me, in comparison to the new Caliphate the Soviet empire of the 60ies and 70ies would seem a paradise. The new rulers of the world will not only shut your mouth, but turn your soul inside out. source: http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Islam-Multicultural-Cemetery-Open-Letter-Educated-Liberal.htm

Muslims are 22 percent of the world population and produce less than five percent of global GDP. Even more worrying is that the Muslim countries’ GDP as a percent of the global GDP is going down over time... Over the past 105 years, 1.4 billion Muslims have produced eight Nobel Laureates while a mere 14 million Jews have produced 167 Nobel Laureates... Of the 1.4 billion Muslims 800 million are illiterate (6 out of 10 Muslims cannot read). source: http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/10/20/islamabad-freelance-columnist-800-million-muslims-out-of-1-4-billion-are-illiterate/

At least since the early part of the 20th century, aside from oil, the Arab world has produced and exported two products. It has produced essentially no technology, medicine or anything else in the world of science. It has almost no contributions to world literature, art or to intellectual development. According to the most recent United Nations Arab Human Development Reports (2003-2005), written by Arab intellectuals, Greece, with a population of 11 million, annually translates five times more books from English than the entire Arab world, population 370 million. Nor is this a new development. The total number of books translated into Arabic during the last 1,000 years is less than Spain translates into Spanish in one year. ArabianBusiness.com reports that about 100 million people in the Arab world are illiterate; and three quarters of them are between the ages of 15 and 45. As for Arab women, the situation is even worse. Nearly half of the Arab world’s women are illiterate, and sexual attacks on women have actually increased since the Arab Spring, as have forced marriages and trafficking. And the exact number of women murdered by family members in “honor killings” is not knowable. It is only known to be large. In Egypt, the largest Arab country, 91 percent of women and girls are subjected to female genital mutilation, according to UNICEF. Not to mention the number of women in the Arab world who must wear veils or even full-face and full-body coverings known as burkas. And, of course, Saudi Arabia is infamous for not allowing women to drive a car. Another unhappy feature of the Arab world is the prevalence of lies. To this day, Egypt denies that it was the Egyptian pilot, Ahmed El-Habashi, who allegedly crashed an EgyptAir jet into the ocean deliberately. Vast numbers of Arabs believe that Jews knew of the 9-11 plot and avoided going to work at the World Trade Center that day. So, then, is there anything at which the Arab world has excelled for the past two generations? Has there been a major Arab export? As it happens, there are two. Hatred and violence. The Arab world has no peer when it comes to hatred – of the Western world generally, and especially of Israel. Israel-hatred and its twin, Jew-hatred, are the oxygen that the Arab world breathes... The other major Arab product and export has been violence. It is difficult to overstate the amount of violence in the Arab world. Mass murder and cruelty have characterized the Arab world. Regarding Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Dexter Filkins, the New York Times correspondent in Iraq from 2003-2006 wrote: “Here, in Hussein, was one of the world’s indisputably evil men: he murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead.” Syria, too, has been a country of mass murder, torture, and brutal totalitarian rule — under the rule of Hafez Assad (in power 1971-2000), and his son, Bashar, the current killer-dictator who, among other atrocities, used Sarin gas against his own people in 2013. In the ongoing Syrian Civil War, according to the United Nations, between March 15, 2011 and April 30, 2014, 191,000 Syrians, about a third of them civilians, were killed. In addition, 2.5 million people have fled Syria to neighboring countries, and 6.5 million have fled their homes within Syria. In Algeria in the 1990s, Islamist terrorists engaged in wholesale murder of their fellow Algerians. That war cost Algeria about 100,000 lives, mostly civilian. In Sudan, the Arab government’s atrocities against the non-Arab population in the region of Darfur led to about 300,000 deaths and over a million refugees. In addition there was systematic rape of untold numbers of non-Arab women by Arab gangs known as the Janjaweed. And then there was the terror unleashed by Palestinians against Israeli civilians in restaurants, at weddings, on buses, etc. The Palestinians are the modern fathers of terrorism directed solely at civilians. source: http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dennis-prager/what-the-arab-world-produces/

Of the four great cities of the Roman empire (Rome, Carthage, Alexandria, Antioch), only the first still belongs to the West. Antioch has just a few mosaics; Alexandria (in ancient times, famous for its library) doesn’t resemble its once incomparable splendor; and the immense Carthage, with the amphitheater comparable to the Colosseum or the Baths of Antoninus, is traumatic for visitors. Islam has deleted everything else. Around the year 645 A.D., Omar Ibn Al Khattab, the second caliph and a successor of Muhammad, set fire to the library of Alexandria, according to a fatwa: “Or the books that are here are in accordance with the Qur’an, and therefore these are useless to us; or are not in accordance with the Qur’an and then they are bad”.  The world lost several centuries of knowledge and thought due to that Islamic fire. Today another caliph, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, has issued a fatwa against the World Heritage Sites of the Middle East. The much vaunted Middle Eastern richness is shrinking to a cultural desert, a single religion and a handful of languages. For over five thousand years, many civilizations have left their mark in Mesopotamia: Assyrians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Arameans, Jews and Romans. Their ancient buried cities, palaces and temples are scattered throughout what is now northern Iraq and eastern Syria. Now most of the archaeological wealth is under the control of the Islamic State. Two days ago, Isis leveled the “green church "of Tikrit, the symbol of Assyrian Christianity in the seventh century. Among the most important sites now under the control of Islam are four ancient cities - Nineveh, Kalhu, Dur Sharrukin and Ashur - which, at different times, were the capitals of the powerful Assyrian empire. The greatest damage has been wreaked by Islam on the Palace of Kalhu, from which the Assyrian king Ashurnasirpal II reigned in the ninth century B.C. They have destroyed some of the “ziggurat”, the impressive temples that rise into the sky. The non-Islamic tradition of Mosul no longer exists. The Islamists have destroyed thirty historic sites, including the shrines of the biblical prophets Seth, Daniel and Jonah. In Syria, the Islamic terrorists have demolished relics as part of their “purge of paganism”, destroying Assyrian statues. In a video, they unashamedly claim the duty of the mujahideen is to “remove the appearance of evil”. Harta, the archeological site where "The Exorcist" movie was filmed, is in IS hands and risks destruction. The Museum of Islamic Art in Cairo had just recently reopened to the public after nine years of renovations, when last January a bomb destroyed it. It contained masterpieces of the Umayyad, Abbassid, and Ottoman periods. During the uprisings that led to the removal of President Mohammed Morsi, in August 2013, the Mallawi Museum of Minia was almost totally destroyed. In Cairo, meanwhile, the manuscripts of the Cairo Institute went up in smoke, including the legacy of the Napoleonic expedition of 1798 in the land of the Pyramids. Nothing was saved from the great work “Description de l’Egypte”, curated by two hundred scholars led by the curator of the Louvre, Vivant Denon. The head of the Association for the Preservation of Cultural Heritage, Hagag Ibrahim, said that the Institute has been subjected to a second “Tatar invasion”, comparing it to the Mongols who in 1258 burned the library of Baghdad, whose waters turned black from ashes of thousands of precious manuscripts. The legend says that in the Tigris there were so many books that the passage from one bank to another was by allowed through stacks of bibliographic outcrops. In Libya, the “treasures of Benghazi”, coins, jewelry, and small statues of antiquity have been lost since the revolution of May 2011. Salafists want to destroy the statue of “the Gazelle”, the bronze monument depicting a naked woman in Tripoli. The great library of Al Saeh in Tripoli, Lebanon, was recently given over to the flames by the Islamists. A year ago, in Mali, hundreds of manuscripts of the Ahmed Baba Centre in Timbuktu were burned due to the irrational fury of the mujahideen. This was a body of work that ranges from the ninth century to this day. embracing all human knowledge, from medicine to astronomy, from law to mathematics, in many languages, such as Arabic, Sonrai, Bambanà, but also Hebrew. They destroyed the door that leads into the sanctuary of the mosque of Sidi Yahya. According to legend, the entrance to the monument had to remain closed for ever, and its opening would cause the end of the world. “See - there is no end of the world”, proclaimed the Islamic blacks in  front of a stunned crowd. shocked by the sacrilege. In Israel, Palestinian Islamists have destroyed the Tomb of Joseph, while the artifacts from the ancient Temples of Solomon and Herod in Jerusalem are scooped out piece by piece from the levels below the Temple Mount to make it seem that the presence of mosques on the Mount is the first example of construction on the site. The Izz ad-Din al Qassam, the military wing of Hamas, recently leveled - with bulldozers - the ancient Mediterranean port of Anthedon, three thousand years of mosaic floors and columns of the Roman, Byzantine destroyed. To do what on the site? Construct a terrorist training camp. In India, the temple of Ram at Ayodhya was destroyed to become the Babri Masjid mosque. The great Buddha in Afghanistan were leveled by the Taliban of Mullah Omar following a fatwa. “Idols of stone” have been defined as such by the students of Allah. They began the destruction with their faces bearing sinuous lips and almond-shaped eyes, as if to hit the reproaches that those faces expressed. In the Swat Valley, in Pakistan, the Taliban recently destroyed Buddhist statues in Jahanabad, where, in the VIII century, Padmasambhava, the founder of Tibetan Buddhism, began his journey. And the circle was closed several days ago. The Islamic State has just destroyed the ancient Armenian Church of Der Zor, consecrated as a memorial of the Armenian Genocide and where lie the remains of the victims of the massacres suffered by the Armenians a century ago. Then, hundreds were chained and thrown into the Euphrates. The hordes of fanatical Muslims threw themselves upon the Christians of the East. They wanted to eradicate the Cross from the empire of the Crescent. Add to this the Christians then slaughtered in Ak Hissar, the ethnic cleansing in Cilicia, the slaughter of mothers and children in the courtyard of the German school of Aleppo, the orphans thrown in the rivers of the Caucasus like balloons. Nothing has changed. The Islamists plan to make a tabula rasa out of entire civilizations. source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15723

Impending collapse of Arab civilization: http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,NI_0905_Arab-P1,00.html

Ibrahim Al-Buleihi (Saudi Shura Council member) - progress for Arab and Islamic world can only come from Western Civilization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG0CeResVB4

Ibrahim Al-Buleihi - Arabs have nothing to offer others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_Bmrn0RIUw

The Golden Age of Islam is a Myth: http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=21117

The Golden Age of Islam - A Second Look: http://www.stonegateinstitute.org/2757/golden-age-of-islam

“Islamic civilization” – the biggest lie known to mankind: http://nocompulsion.com/islamic-civilization-the-biggest-lie-known-to-mankind/

Fourteen centuries of Muslim war against European civilization: http://europenews.dk/en/node/26007

Arabs are the most illiterate people in the world: http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME09.@AM16472.html

Arabic education system is medieval: http://amislam.com/archaic.htm

Muslim conspiracy theories: http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Conspiracy_Theories

Islam = illiteracy, poverty and backwardness: http://www.islam-watch.org/SujitDas/Holy-Islam-Illiteracy-Poverty-Backwardness.htm

Differences between Western Civilization and Islamic barbarity: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3089/questions-facing-muslim-world

Islam isn't pretty: http://boudicabpi.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/terrorism-that%E2%80%99s-personal/
or: http://actualgrit.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/the-faces-of-radical-islam-under-sharia-law/

Jewish and Muslims Nobel Prize winners: http://www.masada2000.org/nobel.html

Young Talib beheads Ghulam Nabi: http://tinyurl.com/2rb2e3

Your soap and shampoo are made of pigs: http://www.ted.com/talks/christien_meindertsma_on_pig_05049.html


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Re: Islamic science and technology

Post  Blackmore on Sun May 06, 2012 11:43 pm

The name of the topic is Islamic Civilisation. I think such name is made up to be not to be offensive. There is a sort of compliment in it. It suggests that Islam on it’s own is an advancement from the stone age. Well IMO that’s hardly the case. Of course I don’t know how the people in the stone age lived and acted. There is no written history about them. We can only assume things. For example that they’ve been a bunch of barbarians that beheaded, did stoning, gave whiplashes, had sex with children, had forced marriages, did circumcision, had laws to protect rapists, kept slaves, did honour killings, beat woman, and so on. These kind of people are what I call barbarians, but if anyone knows a more appropriate word than that, I will use that world instead…

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Re: Islamic science and technology

Post  polka23dot on Mon May 07, 2012 5:47 am

I agree with Blackmore and I changed the name of this topic. The word civilization is usually defined as science, technology, and laws of advanced human cultures. Islam is not, and has never been a civilization. There is only one civilization and it is the Western Civilization. Most non-white countries are trying to emulate the Western Civilization. When they become like us, they will also become our friends and allies.
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Re: Islamic science and technology

Post  polka23dot on Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:25 pm

Like any great empire in decline, Abbasid Caliphate was disintegrating for quite some time. In Spain, Christians reconquered Cordoba in 1236 and then Seville in 1248. But the last nail in the coffin was the siege and occupation of Baghdad by Mongols in 1258, thereby bringing an end to the dying empire. For decades or even a century or over, there were internal tension and conflict between the Mu’tazilites who embraced rational thinking and inquisitiveness and the Ash’arités who were anti rationalists. This Ash’arités movement was dogmatic Sunni Muslim movement which held the view that rationalist view was anti-Islamic. Things do happen as God wishes to happen, not as a priori or a posteriori. Abu Hamid al-Ghazali (1058 – 1111AD) argued that rationalism was incompatible with Islamic teaching. As God’s will is completely free and unencumbered, His wishes are supreme and could not be compromised by rationalisation of causes and effects. A storm takes place because God wishes it that way to punish the affected people for their misdeeds, not as a result of meteorological condition. Rain falls not as a result of precipitation and condensation of cloud, but by sheer God’s will. By his dogmatic interpretation of Islam he gave a philosophical underpinning of religion and brought Sunni Islam very close to Sufi philosophy. Following the collapse of Abbasid Caliphate, Ash’arités movement supported by Ghazalites took hold in the Islamic world. From that time on, Islam had been going on the opposite direction to the Western Christianity which embraced Renaissance and Age of Enlightenment. Admittedly, Christianity had its turbulent periods when different theological strands vied against each other and did everything to eliminate each other, but eventually rationality prevailed over darkness. Christianity came out of the dark ages bruised and battered, but with its theology intact as long as its boundary is properly demarcated and ring fenced. In other words, in Christianity theology is numinous undertaking segregated from the workings of the nation state. Islam does not want to accept such segregation of duties and responsibilities. It wants to encroach on the state responsibilities covering politics, economics, education and every other field of human endeavour. How could a state function when religion tells that there is no rationality, no cause and effect; everything moves as God desires? How could state develop economically or intellectually when religion puts a stopper over its advancement? One simple event will expose this disconnect. Some years ago, when I went from Britain to Saudi Arabia as a Consultant on Radiological Protection, I was invited to present a paper on ‘Effects of radiation on human beings’ at an international seminar in Riyadh. The seminar was very well attended with many British, American, German, Swedish and Finnish experts. There were high level Saudi presence too including the Saudi Interior Minister, Health Minister and Saudi Atomic Energy Commission’s chairman and so forth. As I presented my paper in English, it had to be translated into Arabic as I spoke. During the presentation, I said that there was a contemporary scientific view that radiation might have caused mutation in human genes that helped the process of evolution. My translator, a clever Egyptian man, stopped at that point and then came over to me to say, “Sir, I cannot translate this line. If I do, not only I but also you would be arrested for blasphemy.” Then it dawned on me that this is the fundamentalist country where there is no evolution, God made everything. We proceeded without this sentence and any other reference to Darwinism... Physics Nobel Laureate Steven Weinberg (who shared the prize with Abdus Salam and Sheldon Glashow in 1979) said, “Though there are talented scientists of Muslim origin working productively in the West, for forty years I have not seen a single paper by a physicist or an astronomer working in a Muslim country that was worth reading...” From time to time, Western leaders patronisingly speak about Muslim heritage and scientific and intellectual contributions to civilisations, but the fact remains that those contributions were nearly 1,000 or more years ago and mostly by people (Shias) who are now considered either non-Muslims or renegade Muslims by Wahhabi Sunnis... Prof. Steven Weinberg claimed that after Ghazali there was no more science worth mentioning in Islamic countries. source: http://opinion.bdnews24.com/2014/10/25/science-and-islam/
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